While this post is not related to rentals, it might help property manager’s that have web sites.
I just got back from SES in San Jose. For those not familiar with SES (which I guess is most of you) it is a search engine conference for people who optimize and market web sites. What that basically means is driving the most traffic to their site as possible and converting it into sales.
Main entrance to the Convention center
This was my first time to SES. I believe that SES in San Jose has only been around for a few years. My main objective going to the conference was to meet as many Google engineers as possible, and to find out how my site can rank better.
I listened to a few radio shows over at WebmasterRadio.fm that really gave the conference high marks and basically said you can not afford to miss it. One in particular came from Jeremy Shoemaker who had an extremely positive experience by increasing his revenue four fold by just attending last year’s show. Pretty much the day after I listened to Jeremy’s show, I got an invite from Google to attend the conference with 20% off. I figured I would learn something to make up the $3,000 price tag for the show (conference, lodging and airline).
Everyone I asked said you will get more out of the conference from meeting people than you will from the actual sessions. Neither one (networking or the sessions) seemed to outweigh the other, but I’m guessing I got more out of the sessions.
I was not sure what to pack, shorts, jeans, T-shirts or a suit? A thought came to mind that the guys in T-shirts and torn jeans are probably the smart ones and the guys in the suits are corporate and don’t know what they are doing. So I went in the middle ground and wore khakis.
Just before leaving for the conference I searched all the blogs and forums and found a private party for all the speakers at the conference that had more room for “us regular attendees”. I emailed Greg Boser and asked for a last minute invite, telling him that this was my first SES conference. I arrived in San Jose around 4pm on Sunday and hadn’t received and email with the party details, so I was kind of bumming about not going.
Fairmont Pool – no one at that bar
So I headed to the hotel pool and got a beer hoping to run into other search engine freaks like myself. I didn’t see any so I headed down to the main bar and ordered a few more beers (buy the way, beers at Fairmont hotel are expensive!). A few people came up to the bar and one of them was Loren Baker who writes a blog on the search engine community which I have never heard of before (sorry Loren). After another beer or so drinking with Loren, Rand Fishkin came by the bar and said hello to Loren. I have been reading Rand’s post for many years and consider him a “heavy weight” in the search community. Rand on many occasions has answered many of my forum questions. Rand said he and his staff were heading to a private party and invited me along. When we got to the party, my name turned up on the list! Very cool, thanks Greg.
The party was put on buy bodog.com which does online gaming. Judging from the party they do very well at it.
At the party I bumped into some of Rand’s team including his mother Gillian who is the president of the company. Come to find out that Rand is only 27 years old. Which is kind of confirming my theory that people that are older and wear the nice suits are probably the ones with just the high level knowledge of business.
Fun with Dynamic sites session
The sessions the first day felt rather boiler-plate to me. I was really surprised that Danny Sullivan was not the best public speaker. But after a while listening to his comments I could tell he was very knowledgeable, you just have to get past his rather quiet speaking style.
The last session of the day was the best and had the youngest panel. The session was on Social Search. Lots of good info on how important blogging is and building a community of others in your field is very important.
I felt like I was getting beat over the head with the whole duplication penalty issue sessions. I was attending most sessions on this topic, but it felt like there was a lot of overlap.
Lunch time was always fun, because they had tables set up with different topics, so you pick a topic table sit down and introduce yourself. I met some neat people this way. Most of them seemed very knowledgeable, and a few had no clue. One guy I met was Robert who was just amazing. I even got to meet a competitor which was kind of fun, they were very nice and offered up great conversation.
Google Dance
Tuesday night was the famous Google Dance. This is what I came for, not for the party but to actually talk with some Google engineers. I was on one of the first buses to get to the Google Plex. I snagged a t-shirt and started looking for the University Room that Matt Cutts in his blog had spoke of. I started to head in the direction of the room and I said to myself – hey enjoy the moment a little and get a beer. So I did and I even relaxed enough to grab some food too. Then off I went in search of this room of great knowledge. I was somewhat confused by the directions so I started asking around, some of the people didn’t know of the room and gave me bad directions so I ended up in places where I shouldn’t have been, oops!
University Room at Google
But finally I found the spot and was escorted up to this small room. I was surprised that not many people where there. The people that were there were people that I consider heavy weights like Rand and Aaron Wall. I was able to speak with 4 of the engineers in the room and I have to say I didn’t really get my questions answered. They all seemed to want to speak on a higher level and not get dirty in the details. At least I tried.
I also bumped into a competitor there and I was happy to hear that they also didn’t get their questions answered, as well. I also met Toni Carreiro on the buss ride back to the conference and we talked about how many of us own Treos and how it is hard to live without them. Toni does web design for real estate sites, which good because her husband has a real estate site.
Google Dance shirt
I guess I shouldn’t be upset. They did provide free beer and food and a pretty cool party. I guess I was misled or misinformed from others who spoke of this event like it was going to get my question answered. I guess I actually knew better than that.
Exhibit Floor
I ended up recording most of the sessions on my Treo. I was really surprised I fit all of them on there with a 1 gig external card. I did not see anywhere that you could not record them.
1 in 1000 chance to win the car
I tried hoping sessions on the ones that didn’t have a clear winner for me. That didn’t work well for me so I stayed put after that. Some of the best sessions for me where the ones on link baiting. Jennifer Laycock was one of the best panelists with the most information you could use on the subject.
On the last day at lunch a person walked up to our table and asked what we thought of the Google Dance and I told him honestly what I thought. Turns out that I was speaking to Adam Lasnik who planned the University room event to meet the Google engineers. I had a nice conversation with him and I think I came away with more info from him than the engineers, which is saying something since he has only been with Google for 5 months.
Funny to see Matt at the back of the room (left side)
Overall the conference didn’t have that many “ah ha” moments for me. It was more of just confirming stuff I already knew.
Will the conference increase my revenue 4 fold in the next part of the year like it had for Jeremy? Probably not, but I am looking forward to PubCon in Vegas in November to learn more.

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Dave, it was good running into you at the bar and sounds like you had a valuable experience at SES. Hopefully you’ll run across my blog someday (like in the link on this comment box) and find some value in it as well.
Best, Loren
Hey Dave, thanks for the kind words. I’m hoping the combo of “high level” + nitty-gritty was useful overall… and I think in general you did hit upon one of the best aspects of big conferences like this: meeting people. Both folks you know from online, and also those you haven’t even heard of. Just the nonverbal cues alone can tell you volumes.
Plus all the good parties don’t hurt either
Anyway, it was nice meeting you over lunch, and I’ll look forward to catching you around at another event or online. Take care…
Hey Dave,
Great writeup. I should have gone for the beer alone it sounds like. Sounds like it was a great way to put names to faces, even if you didn’t get the specific answers you were looking for.
Dave B.
Dave,
I’ll also say thanks for the compliment, glad that you enjoyed the link baiting session.
Also always good to read feedback from folks that have made their first trip to the conference, I’m always curious to see how the people that don’t spend every moment obsessing over algorithms view the information they get there.
A thought to consider if you attend another one down the road. You mentioned that you went to the sessions that most interested you, but that you didn’t learn a whole lot of new things. If you go again, try hitting some of the sessions that you DON’T think would interest you…then see if you can apply what you learn there to what you are already doing. You’d be surprised at how much advice you can pick up in a PPC panel that you can apply to organic search, or how a session on social networking can help influence the way you view link building or reputation management… Going outside your comfort zone is often where you end up learning the most.
Cheers! – Jennifer
Jennifer, that’s a very good tip.
Jennifer, that is good advice. At the next conference in Vegas I will be doing just that.
I just listened to the recording of your link bait session again, and I just wanted to say thanks for all the great info, you provided a ton of great info on what makes really good link bait.
I am working on a link bait tool right now so your info is very timely for me.
Jennifer, I didn’t link to your site because I was not sure which one was your blog. If you like shoot me your blog URL and I will add it to my post above.
Thanks,
Dave
Great Article.
Do you have more information on the PubCon in Vegas. Is that for publishers?
Dan,
Here is a link to PubCon in Vegas: http://www.pubcon.com/?forum=conference
This conference is cheaper than SES and has pretty much the same people presenting. I think it is $450, but you might be able to find a discount around somewhere.
It is for anyone that has a website that wants to rank better, so yes it is for publishers.
Dave
Dave,
Good writeup. I considered making the conference, but busy airports keep me at home as much as possible.
What were the questions you couldn’t get answered?
Although I’ve been blogging for three years and had a message board for almost 5, I haven’t focused on SEO until the last couple of weeks.
I’m just getting into Jennifer Grappone and Gradiva Couzin’s new book, Search Engine Optimization, an hour a day. Good stuff so far. Have read it?
btw. I have a blog on HOAs and I’ll link to your blog. I’m not very active on that blog now that I’m no longer an HOA president, but may get on the board of our new HOA and revive that blog.
Maybe I’ll see you in Vegas in Nov.
Donald, thanks for writing.
No have not heard of that book, I read only one SEO book about 3 years ago and by the time I finished it I felt it was already out of date, so I have been reading the forums and lately I have been reading blogs by some of the big guys in the industry. A tip you might not know about is listening to WebmasterRadio.fm, there are several good weekly shows I listen to there that keep you up to date.
I had several duplication content issues directly related to some of my sites that I wanted to get answered. I spoke with Vanessa Fox from Google and several other engineers including one guy from the crawling indexing team and they gave me very generic answers. I wish there were computers in the room and we could have looked at my site together and they could have pointed out any problems they see right away. Anyway I have made some structural changes to this site since I got back from the conference to see it it helps.
Thanks for the link to my blog! I will have a look at your site as soon as I finish typing this.
If you make it to Vegas, drop me an email before you go.
Dave
Dave,
Since I wrote, I’ve dipped into another new book, Search Engine Marketing, Inc., by Mike Moran and Bill Hunt. It has more about content optimization. Is that what you mean by content duplication?
“Overoptimizing your content. When you try to stuff keywords into every phrase, you produce stilted, unreadable copy that converts no one.” That is, it sells nothing. They warn against overoptimizing and trying to “chase the algorithm.” Both books advise, “write for people first,” SEO second.
:fyi:
Don
Don,
The duplicate content issue that i am referring to is not about having a high keyword density (keyword stuffing). I am referring to pages on a site that are too similar to one another, so Google discounts those pages. For example sharing similar title, meta and H1 tags across many pages.
Dave
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